Petite question

Salut, j'aimerais savoir quel est le meilleur calibre pour chasse le chevreuil et l'orignal avec la memme carabine??

merci

30-06 ou 308 ferons très bien le boulot et en montant un peu la 270. Par contre je te dirais qu'il n'y a pas si longtemps les 2 se chassaient avec une 30-30

quel calibre est le plus fort entre 30-06 308 et 30-30

Très sensiblement pareil, et avec un très grand choix de balles pour les deux. Ces 2 calibres sont très populaire et le serons encore pour longtemps, de plus ils sont économiques pour les balles si tu veux comparer avec une 270WSM

Aujourd'hui, le .30-06 est un calibre essentiellement d'usage civil. Il est notamment l'un des calibres de carabine de chasse les plus populaire en Amérique pour la chasse aux gibiers de moyenne et grande dimensions. En tant qu'ancien calibre militaire, le .30-06 est interdit en France pour usage civil (catégorie 1). La grande diversité des munitions disponibles en format .30-06 de même que sa bonne puissance et sa portée en font l'un des plus polyvalent pour la chasse.

Je ne sais pas si tu lit l'anglais, mais ceci est un article intéressant car la 308 a aussi servi comme arme pour les Sniper

http://www.snipercentral.com/308.htm

The .308 Winchester is a rifle round and is the commercial version of the military 7.62x51mm NATO centerfire cartridge. The .308 Winchester was introduced in 1952, two years prior to the NATO adoption of the 7.62x51mm NATO T65. Winchester (a subsidiary of Olin Corporation) branded the cartridge and introduced it to the commercial hunting market as the .308 Winchester. Winchester's Model 70 and Model 88 rifles were subsequently chambered for the new cartridge. Since then, the .308 Winchester has become the most popular short-action, big-game hunting cartridge worldwide.[1] It is also commonly used for civilian target shooting, military sniping, and police sharpshooting. The relatively short case makes the .308 Winchester especially well adapted for short action rifles. When loaded with a bullet that expands, tumbles, or fragments in tissue, this cartridge is capable of delivering devastating terminal performance, including remote wounding effects known as hydrostatic shock.

Commercial Use

The .308 Winchester is one of the most successful hunting cartridges[8] in the world and has gained popularity in many countries as an exceptional cartridge for game in the medium- to large-sized class. In North America it is used extensively on Whitetail deer, Pronghorn and even the occasional Caribou or Black Bear. In Africa the .308 Win is one of the most popular calibres among Bushveld hunters and is used on anything from Duiker right up to the massive Eland. The .308 Winchester has sufficient energy to impart hydrostatic shock to living targets when rapidly expanding bullets deliver a high rate of energy transfer

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the 308 is a 30-06 in a compact package. You get 95% the performance in 75% the space. The 308 has also been designed to feed better through fully automatic weapons

HOWEVER, these factors are only really important if you are the military who needs to haul enough ammo up to the front lines to replentish all the troops and who use full auto machineguns.

For hunting, they are pretty much equal except in two areas. 308 is only able to come close to the 30-06 when it is using lightweight to mediuweight bullets, for heavyweight bullets the 308 just doesn't have enough room to get a full powder charge. Second the 30-06 is an older case designed when powders were bulkier (this is part of the reason 50 years later there were able to make almost the same ballisics in 2/3rds the size package) but if you are a modern handloader, you can really crank magnum performance from the 30-06, getting it to go 110% or even 120% of it's old performance.

If you were in North America hunting elk also known as wapiti, I'd say 'get the 30-06 so you can have a full power charge behind a heavy bullet'

While Red Deer are cousins to elk, it is rare for a Red Deer stag to get over 250 kg, our largest elk subspecies (Roosevelt elk, found in the pacific northwest) routinely hit the 500kg mark, so they are twice as big. Even our more common Rocky mountan Elk bulls are regularly over 350kg.

You can probably get buy just fine with either one. I don't think the 308 gives you anything of value so for that reason I'd suggest the more versitile 30-06. But really your deciding factor should be the price and availability of ammunition.

The .308 case is one of the most efficient cases around for achieving maximum performance so the .308 round is much flatter shooting over the same distances than the .30-06. However, by the same token the smaller .308 case does not allow for the velocities of the larger .30-06 case. Thus the .308 looses it's effective killing power quicker than the .30-06. The .308 is an excellent round for game up to the 400 lb class. My kids and I have taken numerous mulies, whitetails, bears and exotics with this round. However, out past 300 yards or with a larger animal, the .30-06 wins hands down. Yes, I know that the .308 is capable of taking a moose at 150 yards with proper shot placement, well so in the .22 when they are shot in the brain, through the eye. But ethically you would want to use the harder hitting .30-06 with atleast a 180 grain bullet or bigger on moose. Before choosing the caliber you are going to buy, determine what the largest animal you would ever want to hunt and then buy the caliber capable of humanly harvesting that animal. As for rifles, have you looked at the Savage line? I know that Savages had reputation of being bad choices several years ago, but ever since Ron Colburn purchased them they have made a dramatic turn around. My son hunt with a Savage FP-10 in .308 and we can achieve 1/2 inch groups at 2oo yards with my handloads. My daughter hunts with a Savage 110 in .7mm-08 and we can clover leaf the shots at 100 yards. Both guns have taken over 35 heads of game in the last few years.

Désolé pour les articles en anglais, mais je suis pourri en français

tabarwouet Wolfman, tu t'es donné a fond pour répondre a ma question!

merci!

30-06 ou 308 sais 2 bon calibre

que ca sois une ou l'autre
le plus importent est de pratiquer
pour bien conaitre l'arme

Bonjour orignal 9

je crois que les gars on répondu par faitement a ta question

moi personnellement j'ai une 308 bon calibre

jcpopa

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tabarwouet Wolfman, tu t'es donné a fond pour répondre a ma question!

merci!

Il ne te reste qu'à faire le choix qui te convient le mieux. Les 2 armes ont toute la force nécessaire pour faire un excellent travail, c'est celui qui manipule l'arme qui fait la différence.

Assure toi que lorsque tu en fera l'essai en magasin ou chez un particulier que l'épaulement te convienne bien et que la mise en main soit comfortable. Tu peut l'essayer en T-Shirt si tu veut mais assure toi également qu'avec un vêtement épais, que ton comfort soit présent. Il ne fait pas toujours très chaud dans le bois et toute la différence passera par ta zone de comfort avec l'arme choisie

Bonne chance